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Okay, so tonight and many other nights, this subject has come up and we need to know. When someone shoots at your car, with warning, or without warning. What can be done? What can be done if someone blow your car up in front of you, with you in it and with you out of it? Can that not be considered attempt KOS with you in it or near it? We need to know because these people just blowing up cars and getting away with it is annoying.

I was engaged with my friend, we were just driving along passed Camano Campground and we get shot upon. Not by one person, but multiple. They claim they said to stop, but I did not hear that at all, they just shot at us and destroyed our Ural. They continue to shoot as we're running away, not to mention they were coming right at us. I feel this is engaging on us even more so after blowing the car. They ALL come at us, showing force; 6 of them. They even said, there is more of us than you, as they approached. Still hearing gun shots from them mind you, I engage at one of them, miss terrible due to distance and 0% honeybadger. I back off a bit, then engage again after they get closer, once again miss, or shoot the tree that's in front of me (indicated by tree marker hits) The one I was shooting at shoots and damages me a lot. I run back a bit, pull my bluntforce, round the tree, bang, kill that guy. See another, bang, headshot and he bleeds out, see another, I'm still getting shot, bang, kill that guy before bleeding out. Buddy eventually dies as well.

I go back over to the area, they're splitting up loot and trying to sort out who's loot is who's. I try to talk to them to find out who's in charge because I wanted to know why they shot on our Ural. One of them (EpicDonuts) says that they were gonna rob us, then the leader (kamohsnap) tells him to shut up, and tells me that it wasn't a robbery, that it was all because one of them thought we were gonna raid their base (which is in Camano). But we didn't drive into Camano. I stuck to the road as we were just driving by. And that's when they started shooting at us without warning.

Here is the video of it

We really need some sort of rule or engagement clause about this action in the rules.

To me, I feel like it's Attempted KOS, for instance, if they have a shot on the car, it could go through the back window, and damage you. If you have someone in the car that went AFK for a sec, and the car is put on fire while they are still AFK, they die because of it. If something happens and you can't get out of the car and away from it in time, boom car blows up and kills you. This are all what could happen when someone just starts shooting at your car. Damaging a person is Attempted KOS. So why is Damaging someones car, to the point of it blowing up or not, while they are driving not considered Attempted KOS?

Another way to look at it is like this, if you throw a grenade at someone, that is considered Attempted KOS. Shooting their car till it blows up, should also be considered Attempted KOS seeing as it also goes boom and could kill them.

Yeah, I agree with what your saying, something needs to be done

Yea, sorry about not helping you, I tped to bravo and was most focused on him. Overall I was very confused about the whole citation.

Yea, sorry about not helping you, I tped to bravo and was most focused on him. Overall I was very confused about the whole citation.

No worries I know you were preoccupied with the Bravo KOS case. That's why I waited until it was done to talk with you about it.

Kamohsnap was suppose to finish talking to me about why they shot on my car, but never did. I just didn't like the fact that his friends apparently had it in their minds that right after blowing up my car illegally for "attempting to raid" they were gonna rob us. One thing that didn't seat right with me is him telling his comrade in arms to "shhh quiet down boy" and all his pauses ("uhhh...") when he was explaining. Just seemed to be grasping for the right things to say. He lied to me about saying they stopped shooting right after the car blew up, and he lied to Velocity about it as well. He claims he never shot, which could be true, but his group did, many times when he said they didn't. They also started to say it was all a mistake and a misunderstanding when talking right in front of Velocity, but if that was the case, why did we never get reimbursed for the Ural (like they offered to do), or our loot returned? To me, it seemed they just wanted to get away with as much as possible, and not get in trouble for anything. Which happened. Sure there was people killed, but in the end they were able to get their loot back and ours when they were the ones that started the whole mess.

I'm not gonna cry for my loot back, because it's loot, it can be gotten again. I would prefer to have a solid rule against this sort of thing at the expense of that loot.

Okay so I just found a rule that could be used in the case of someone blowing up your car when you are in it or right next to it! Not sure how I didn't think of it until now, just re-went over the rules like I do most days.

- Do not CDM (Car Death Match), this means that you are NOT allowed to kill anyone with a vehicle, not even with a reason.

That is usually used in cases of people running others down. But it could be used in the case of someone blowing up someones car with them in it or right next to it. They are causing the car to blow up, which could kill the driver and anyone inside. That would in itself be considered killing someone with a vehicle. Which if the driver and passengers survived the car explosion, it could be considered Attempted CDM. Another big point here, "not even with a reason." John Doe comes along and says "Oh, he was trying to raid me!" or "We wanted to just talk to them so I shot the car." would fit under that "not even with a reason." clause. This completely wipes out the question of people shooting at others while they are driving. Call it, Attempted KOS or Attempted CDM, whichever, it fits.

Only other thing to bring up would be what can be done if someone blows your car while you're in reasonable distance of it. If someone can steal a car, and you can kill them for stealing it in front of you. So can you kill the person that just blew up your car? If you seen them do it, none of this he said she said. Without a doubt, very strong reasonable conclusion and video evidence to back it up. Reason I bring that point up is because essentially they are trying to take your car away from you. If someone damages it in anyway and blows it up, they are effectively taking it away from you. Same outcome, different means.

GJ, now i can use CDM, when people blow up peoples car when they are in it.