Lets keep the rules well known and enforce them.
Unread postPosted:January 11th, 2017, 2:36 am
First off I want to start by saying I've been gone from the Pandahut Scene for some time, around 10 months, but coming back I made sure to refresh myself on the rules and to check for new ones before really entering and RolePlaying. I read all of the RP Server Rules and the Role Description I was going to run around as "Police/RCMP" I'd also like to mention that this isn't a report, hence why it's in discussion and not the report section. I just want to bring some things into light and make it widely known that it's not right to break the rules and think you can get away with it. I was a stickler on the rules back then and I still am now. I wanted to help mold Pandahut into a fine oiled machine that everyone could enjoy themselves and have fun. Which I did put a lot of input into the rules and tried to help out as much as I could back in the day. I wasn't a mod, but some of you probably remember me for being just as helpful. Hell Mushy personally said I should fill out a Mod App, and Rag even came to me about being one. But with that all said lets get on with it.
The Situation that happened last night, 1/10/2017 around 9pm CST I believe was the time, was on the PEI RP Server 13. Myself, along with Dippy, Taker and Ayo Snipes were running around as Police Officers/RCMP, Dippy, Snipes and myself were in full RCMP kit gear, while Taker was in Police gear. We all walked into Alberton and just strolled around checking out the location because there was so many player built buildings and we've only been on the server for a few mintues; pretty much getting our bearings so to speak. When I came across a guy in Swat gear named The Don, cant say for sure if he's role was Swat or not at this moment, but Dippy followed me over to the guy. What lead me to this guy was the fact that he didn't have his weapon in safety. Which I read in the "Unofficial RCMP/Police Guide!" I mention to the guy how he should have his gun in safety, he said he doesn't ever have his weapon in safety and shoots a shot off into the air. At which point I told him he wasn't allowed to shot into the air like that. He then fires two more shots and refuses to have his weapon in safety, as he starts walking away we follow him asking him again to put it into safety mode and to stop shooting into the air. He refuses and proceeds to shoot further into the air. He finally stops for a second and asks if he is under arrest, we said we are just trying to talk with him about it and he takes that as a sign that he isn't under arrest and continues to walk off, at which point Dippy says over TS that we need to arrest this guy. I attempted to use the Arrest command on the guy, keep in mind my first time using it, and it says I have to be in proximity of the person, so I ran after the guy and attempted again, still wasn't close enough because every time I'd stop to type he just kept running/walking away shooting into the air. Dippy also attempting to arrest the guy at the time as well, but is failing just the same. Finally I decided to type up the command and run to the guy and click enter while next to him. He is stopped for maybe 2-3 seconds talking to dippy about something and I'm trying to cuff the guy while standing slightly behind on the side of The Don, it didn't work, once again, first time, he notices that I'm arresting him and just starts unloading on me. Which of course he has the right to resist arrest. But in the heat of the moment, Dippy was standing next to me when this happened and Dippy starts shooting The Don. At this point I'm already dead but I seen it happen. I then click respawn, and type /arrestover. The command triggers and The Don posts KOS in world chat. I finally get done running back over there and a Mod, HeyItsYoBoi, is talking to Dippy about what he did and is telling him he will be banned for 1 hour for KOS because he didn't use /arrest assist arashi. Which he didn't, so that's fair and understandable why he was banned. But here's the thing. The Don baited us into this arrest. He also broke Police Laws by doing what he did in the whole situation. And broke Hardcore RP as well by posting KOS and not using /Adminhelp Kos. While talking to HeyItsYoBoi, I agreed with him on the ban, but I tried to talk to the mod about what happened, how what went down was baiting us, which he denied and said it wasn't baiting, claimed that he didn't have to have his gun on safety. That there was no rule against shooting in the air, which he is correct about that, no rule at all, but there is Police Law of the land, and that is against the law. I mentioned how we attempted to use the Arrest Command but he kept running which HeyItsYoBoi said that's fine because he can resist arrest, that we have to cuff him to have him stop and then we can use the Arrest Command, later found out from another mod, Lyncris, that is wrong and could have discipline actions taken against us. Basically we were told from HeyItsYoBoi that Police pretty much have no power when it came to the safety switch, the shooting wildly, the having to chase the guy down to even use the arrest command. Another Mod did show up that had a Mic that could speak with us about it all. Yeah forgot to mention HeyItsYoBoi didn't use a mic while talking to us just typed. Lyncris was very helpful with the situation, did confirm about Police Law and that there was Baiting going on. I told Lyncris that I wasn't trying to report the guy but he should know what he did was against the rules and should be informed, and he agreed, and told us he would have a conversation about it.
On a side note, nothing was recorded, which I regret now, but I was rusty with Unturned and didn't think I was going to need some video evidence on the first day, or first 10 mins lol. All and all, Dippy did get banned for KOS because he didn't use the Arrest Assist command at the exact same time as the Arresting Officer, myself. And from taking Lyncris word, The Don was spoken to about what happen, also with HeyItsYoBoi being there during the conversation he learned as well what he was wrong about, even if he did try still saying that it wasn't baiting.
Below are the rules and regs basically of where I pulled my knowledge from the night before.
Under Pandahut Unturned RP Server Rules
IX Extra Important Rules
4. Police Baiting is NOT allowed. As an example: Running around with your berries in your hand at police officers and shouting ''Arrest me!!'' in order for you to instantly KOS them when they call the arrest. This will be considered as fail RP and player will be punished.
He baited us by breaking Police Law, not having his weapon on safety when asked to by a RCMP in uniforms, put simply, refusing to comply. He continued to point his weapon at us, until he discharged his weapon into the air, another Law broken, firing a weapon without reason. He then just started walking off as we were talking to him, which could be seen as refusing to comply some more and evading the police. We weren't trying to arrest him just speak with him, being civil and basically telling him he is breaking a law and demanding him to stop, a warning if you will. He goes on to ask if we are arresting him, we said no, just speaking, so he turns and starts walking off shooting in the air some more, continuing to bait us to arrest him. Well I eventually use the arrest command on him and he resists arrest very quickly after he sees the command prompt and unloads on me, killing me. To me the guy just full on baited us with shooting in the air, not even having the weapon on safety when asked, and kept asking if we are arresting him. We told him the laws and said he was breaking them but kept doing it. Baiting use to arrest, and when we did he killed me. That is some Failed RP, that's some Baiting of Police to kill. And that's breaking Police Law.
Police Law:
Stated under the Police Officer/RCMP Role Description
7. Anything that is provable, and illegal in real life is enforceable by arrest; within reason. (Stealing cars, Selling weapons outside of a shop or non-weaponsmith, etc, etc)
With that being said, if it's illegal in real life it's illegal in the game. Pointing a weapon at an officer would get you arrested, granted he might of been Swat but still. Refusing to put the gun on safety or down is refusing to comply which could have you arrested by the Police. Running away from the Police when they are questioning you is considered evading or not complying as well, chased and handcuffed for questioning, possibly arrested as well. Discharging a weapon into the air, arrested for sure. All of these break Police Law in real life, and break Police Law in the game.
Another thing that was broken was Hardcore RP with the KOS in world chat, but that could technically be over looked but the guy is suppose to be a Mod. He should know the rules.
I. FearRP & Hardcore RP
2.Hardcore roleplay is the concept of you role playing non-stop. You cannot interrupt someone else's roleplay nor stop your own roleplay whilst being on the server. This helps us minimize the trolling and bi-standers that are not on to roleplay. This also means that you CANNOT type off-character related issue like KOS in the World chat, if you have an off-character issue then you MUST contact a staff member using the Admin Help plugin, to do so you must do the following: /Adminhelp. If caught going against this, you will be punished.
All in all, some of the mods don't know the full extend of the rules, and I showed up after reading them just the night before and spotted many rules not known and broken in my first 10 mins of being back on Pandahut. I'm not stating this probably happens all the time, but if people are gonna be a mod, the need to know the rules. Not saying all word for word, but has a very well understanding of the rules.
PS sorry it's long, but I find it better to know the story for context and that requires the whole story. Granted like I said, there is no video evidence of this, but from now on, someone in are group, either it be me or dippy, one of us will be recording and we will be reporting anything that breaks the rules.
Thank you for reading and spreading the word.
The Situation that happened last night, 1/10/2017 around 9pm CST I believe was the time, was on the PEI RP Server 13. Myself, along with Dippy, Taker and Ayo Snipes were running around as Police Officers/RCMP, Dippy, Snipes and myself were in full RCMP kit gear, while Taker was in Police gear. We all walked into Alberton and just strolled around checking out the location because there was so many player built buildings and we've only been on the server for a few mintues; pretty much getting our bearings so to speak. When I came across a guy in Swat gear named The Don, cant say for sure if he's role was Swat or not at this moment, but Dippy followed me over to the guy. What lead me to this guy was the fact that he didn't have his weapon in safety. Which I read in the "Unofficial RCMP/Police Guide!" I mention to the guy how he should have his gun in safety, he said he doesn't ever have his weapon in safety and shoots a shot off into the air. At which point I told him he wasn't allowed to shot into the air like that. He then fires two more shots and refuses to have his weapon in safety, as he starts walking away we follow him asking him again to put it into safety mode and to stop shooting into the air. He refuses and proceeds to shoot further into the air. He finally stops for a second and asks if he is under arrest, we said we are just trying to talk with him about it and he takes that as a sign that he isn't under arrest and continues to walk off, at which point Dippy says over TS that we need to arrest this guy. I attempted to use the Arrest command on the guy, keep in mind my first time using it, and it says I have to be in proximity of the person, so I ran after the guy and attempted again, still wasn't close enough because every time I'd stop to type he just kept running/walking away shooting into the air. Dippy also attempting to arrest the guy at the time as well, but is failing just the same. Finally I decided to type up the command and run to the guy and click enter while next to him. He is stopped for maybe 2-3 seconds talking to dippy about something and I'm trying to cuff the guy while standing slightly behind on the side of The Don, it didn't work, once again, first time, he notices that I'm arresting him and just starts unloading on me. Which of course he has the right to resist arrest. But in the heat of the moment, Dippy was standing next to me when this happened and Dippy starts shooting The Don. At this point I'm already dead but I seen it happen. I then click respawn, and type /arrestover. The command triggers and The Don posts KOS in world chat. I finally get done running back over there and a Mod, HeyItsYoBoi, is talking to Dippy about what he did and is telling him he will be banned for 1 hour for KOS because he didn't use /arrest assist arashi. Which he didn't, so that's fair and understandable why he was banned. But here's the thing. The Don baited us into this arrest. He also broke Police Laws by doing what he did in the whole situation. And broke Hardcore RP as well by posting KOS and not using /Adminhelp Kos. While talking to HeyItsYoBoi, I agreed with him on the ban, but I tried to talk to the mod about what happened, how what went down was baiting us, which he denied and said it wasn't baiting, claimed that he didn't have to have his gun on safety. That there was no rule against shooting in the air, which he is correct about that, no rule at all, but there is Police Law of the land, and that is against the law. I mentioned how we attempted to use the Arrest Command but he kept running which HeyItsYoBoi said that's fine because he can resist arrest, that we have to cuff him to have him stop and then we can use the Arrest Command, later found out from another mod, Lyncris, that is wrong and could have discipline actions taken against us. Basically we were told from HeyItsYoBoi that Police pretty much have no power when it came to the safety switch, the shooting wildly, the having to chase the guy down to even use the arrest command. Another Mod did show up that had a Mic that could speak with us about it all. Yeah forgot to mention HeyItsYoBoi didn't use a mic while talking to us just typed. Lyncris was very helpful with the situation, did confirm about Police Law and that there was Baiting going on. I told Lyncris that I wasn't trying to report the guy but he should know what he did was against the rules and should be informed, and he agreed, and told us he would have a conversation about it.
On a side note, nothing was recorded, which I regret now, but I was rusty with Unturned and didn't think I was going to need some video evidence on the first day, or first 10 mins lol. All and all, Dippy did get banned for KOS because he didn't use the Arrest Assist command at the exact same time as the Arresting Officer, myself. And from taking Lyncris word, The Don was spoken to about what happen, also with HeyItsYoBoi being there during the conversation he learned as well what he was wrong about, even if he did try still saying that it wasn't baiting.
Below are the rules and regs basically of where I pulled my knowledge from the night before.
Under Pandahut Unturned RP Server Rules
IX Extra Important Rules
4. Police Baiting is NOT allowed. As an example: Running around with your berries in your hand at police officers and shouting ''Arrest me!!'' in order for you to instantly KOS them when they call the arrest. This will be considered as fail RP and player will be punished.
He baited us by breaking Police Law, not having his weapon on safety when asked to by a RCMP in uniforms, put simply, refusing to comply. He continued to point his weapon at us, until he discharged his weapon into the air, another Law broken, firing a weapon without reason. He then just started walking off as we were talking to him, which could be seen as refusing to comply some more and evading the police. We weren't trying to arrest him just speak with him, being civil and basically telling him he is breaking a law and demanding him to stop, a warning if you will. He goes on to ask if we are arresting him, we said no, just speaking, so he turns and starts walking off shooting in the air some more, continuing to bait us to arrest him. Well I eventually use the arrest command on him and he resists arrest very quickly after he sees the command prompt and unloads on me, killing me. To me the guy just full on baited us with shooting in the air, not even having the weapon on safety when asked, and kept asking if we are arresting him. We told him the laws and said he was breaking them but kept doing it. Baiting use to arrest, and when we did he killed me. That is some Failed RP, that's some Baiting of Police to kill. And that's breaking Police Law.
Police Law:
Stated under the Police Officer/RCMP Role Description
7. Anything that is provable, and illegal in real life is enforceable by arrest; within reason. (Stealing cars, Selling weapons outside of a shop or non-weaponsmith, etc, etc)
With that being said, if it's illegal in real life it's illegal in the game. Pointing a weapon at an officer would get you arrested, granted he might of been Swat but still. Refusing to put the gun on safety or down is refusing to comply which could have you arrested by the Police. Running away from the Police when they are questioning you is considered evading or not complying as well, chased and handcuffed for questioning, possibly arrested as well. Discharging a weapon into the air, arrested for sure. All of these break Police Law in real life, and break Police Law in the game.
Another thing that was broken was Hardcore RP with the KOS in world chat, but that could technically be over looked but the guy is suppose to be a Mod. He should know the rules.
I. FearRP & Hardcore RP
2.Hardcore roleplay is the concept of you role playing non-stop. You cannot interrupt someone else's roleplay nor stop your own roleplay whilst being on the server. This helps us minimize the trolling and bi-standers that are not on to roleplay. This also means that you CANNOT type off-character related issue like KOS in the World chat, if you have an off-character issue then you MUST contact a staff member using the Admin Help plugin, to do so you must do the following: /Adminhelp. If caught going against this, you will be punished.
All in all, some of the mods don't know the full extend of the rules, and I showed up after reading them just the night before and spotted many rules not known and broken in my first 10 mins of being back on Pandahut. I'm not stating this probably happens all the time, but if people are gonna be a mod, the need to know the rules. Not saying all word for word, but has a very well understanding of the rules.
PS sorry it's long, but I find it better to know the story for context and that requires the whole story. Granted like I said, there is no video evidence of this, but from now on, someone in are group, either it be me or dippy, one of us will be recording and we will be reporting anything that breaks the rules.
Thank you for reading and spreading the word.