- December 20th, 2018, 4:58 pm
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Nowhere does it ever say that you can ONLY KOS someone if they attack you. Here is what it says:
If you are attacked by a KoSer (Damaged or health has been reduced), you have the right to self-defend. After you've done so, let a staff member know that the person attempted to KoS you.
That rule states that if someone damages you, you make defend yourself. Nowhere does it say that that is the only reason to ever KOS someone. KOS means kill on sight. Lets look back at rule 1 of KOS:
You MAY NOT KoS (Kill on Sight) for ANY reason at all. You may only kill other players if the killing is justified by the Roleplay rules.
You may kill another player if it is jutified by the Roleplay rules. If someone breaks those, killing therefore should be justified. Now lets look at the second points under the KOS section:
The only times may kill a player are under the following circumstances:
If a player enters your vehicle (any vehicle type) in front of you, give them warnings (follow warning system) to step away from your vehicle. Thus, if the player begins driving away, you may shoot(KoS) whilst they are within sight, or just pop the vehicle's tires. If the player successfully steals your vehicle and is out of your render distance, you MAY NOT kill this player, making them the vehicle's new rightful owner of. If caught going against this rule, it will be counted as KoS and is bannable offense.
If a player steals gas from your vehicle then that player is KoSable to the vehicle owner(or group) only! Unlocking a vehicle with a stealy wheely and then starting to DRIVE away also leads to the player being KoSable to the vehicle owner(or group)! Under NO CIRCUMSTANCE are you allowed to kill players stealing from someone else but your own. If proven guilty of breaking this rule, it will be counted as KoS and is a bannable offense. Although if the player simply locks the car and does NOT attempt to drive off then you MUST follow the warning system which is specified in section VII to ensure your vehicle gets unlocked, if the player refuses to unlock your vehicle after the warning system was correctly followed, then you are allowed to kill that person.
You MAY NOT KoS players for damaging your vehicle!
If a player is in your base, you may give them 3 warnings to leave. If they do not comply, you must warn 3 times in world chat before killing them. IMPORTANT: The player must be WITHIN your bases borders. If they are just hanging outside of a base, that is allowed.
If a player is robbing/arresting/kidnapping you, you may kill them during the roleplay event in self-defense. You MAY NOT kill them AFTER
If you died and your body was looted by another player, you MAY NOT demand that the player gives back your items. The only time someone must to drop your looted items is if the player unrightfully KoS'ed you. This can only happen if decided by a Moderator on duty. This also counts if by example you dropped an item and a random person comes and picks it up, you MAY NOT tell them to drop it as it's your fault for dropping the item publicly.
If you are attacked by a KoSer (Damaged or health has been reduced), you have the right to self-defend. After you've done so, let a staff member know that the person attempted to KoS you.
Law enforcement players may KoS player that have a kill warrant on them (More under the Kill Warrants Section on this page).
You may kill someone if they enter your base, after giving warnings, if they steal gas from your vehicle, in roleplay events, being attacked by a KoSer, and if you have a kill warrant. There are grey areas in all those. For instance, what if someone is on top of your base that has a rampart on it? Can you kill them then? Nowhere does it say you can't kill them if they steal gas from someone elses vehicle. Nowhere does it say you can't kill a cop who is arresting someone else, nor a robber robbing someone else. In fact, it condones that. Look what it says here:
Such examples of when your robbery would be over include but are NOT limited to the following:
Being killed by the person you are attempting to rob due to self-defense reasons.
Successfully robbing the person and retrieving your stolen goods.
Being killed by a random person in an attempt to save the person that you are attempting to rob.
If the robbed player has left your sight for 5 minutes then you must call your robbery over.
Random players are allowed to stop a robbery. But wait! You advertise that you can kill no one! Hm. So who isn't following the rules here and are banning people who don't deserve it. Admins? Look at what it says for arrests:
Such examples of when your arrest would be over include but are NOT limited to the following:
Being killed by another bandit attempting to save their fellow bandit friend.
Successfully arresting the player and giving them their assigned punishment.
Failing an on-going police chase. This typically means that if the arrested player has left your sight for 5 minutes, then you MUST call the arrest over.
Now I know here that it says another bandit, indicating you have to be of the bandit role to do so, but really most people classify as Bandits, but they keep changing roles for different perks or just assist bandits without changing roles. However, it says, and I state: "Such example of when your arrest would be over include but are NOT limited to the following:" That right there that says NOT means basically to use your imagination and insight to determine when your robbery or arrest are over.
Therefore, if someone is found breaking rules like this, the question is "Should they be KoSed?" KoS as I said earlier means Kill On Sight. Rule 1 of KOS states that the reason has to be justified by the roleplay rules. When something is mentioned first, it is typically the most important and overriding rule. If you are justified by the roleplay rules, you therefore are allowed to KOS. KoS has to do with killing without meaning, or killing for another players loot or for fun. If there is a reason behind your KOS that is justifiable, it should not be banned, according to the rules you admins tell us to read.
Now lets talk about Raid Zones. Too many stupid people say that the Raid Zone is a 50 meter radius. Look at what it says here in the rules:
Raiders: Once raid timer is up, Raiders are allowed to kill any and all people in immediate area (20-30 meters) of the base being raided, so as long they are still attempting to break into the base.
If you are raiding alone, you must stay within 15m of the raid building destroying parts of the base, in order to show that you are actively raiding. Failure to follow the rule shows that a kill zone is being created and the raider has no intent to raid, just kill.
If you are raiding with a group of two or more players, you may stay within 30 meters of the base - as long as one player is actively raiding the base within 15 meters
Raiders must end the raid if they leave the raid zone area listed above
You must start the raid from outside the base - you cannot start the raid while inside the base.
You MAY NOT place any structures besides metal plates in the base you are raiding.
You may NOT KOS anyone who is outside of 20-30 meters. That is not a far distance. Your KOS there would be against the rules if you do that thing there.
What are you readers to derive from all of this? Based on the rules, you are allowed to KoS as long as it is justified by roleplay rules. Your KoS has to be with purpose along those very rules. While it is ultimately up to whatever admin on to determine if what you did was wrong, that admin needs to realize what the rules say, and what they mean. Some rules need to be read word for word. And while it says that it is a bannable offense to KoS, if the reason isn't stupid, you can cut them some slack sometimes. Mass KoS should be intervened by admins, especially if random players are involved. However, the Police Officers, court system, and other players should have a bit of jurisdiction before an admin intervenes. While, yes, it is a bannable offense, that does not mean it is the only punishment you can and should use to punish those who willfully or unknowingly break the rules. It is the highest degree of punishment. You don't give the death sentence to every criminal. What I am suggesting is that you admins be more open-minded with regard to rules, instead of being so ban happy and ignorant as to what they say and mean.
If you are attacked by a KoSer (Damaged or health has been reduced), you have the right to self-defend. After you've done so, let a staff member know that the person attempted to KoS you.
That rule states that if someone damages you, you make defend yourself. Nowhere does it say that that is the only reason to ever KOS someone. KOS means kill on sight. Lets look back at rule 1 of KOS:
You MAY NOT KoS (Kill on Sight) for ANY reason at all. You may only kill other players if the killing is justified by the Roleplay rules.
You may kill another player if it is jutified by the Roleplay rules. If someone breaks those, killing therefore should be justified. Now lets look at the second points under the KOS section:
The only times may kill a player are under the following circumstances:
If a player enters your vehicle (any vehicle type) in front of you, give them warnings (follow warning system) to step away from your vehicle. Thus, if the player begins driving away, you may shoot(KoS) whilst they are within sight, or just pop the vehicle's tires. If the player successfully steals your vehicle and is out of your render distance, you MAY NOT kill this player, making them the vehicle's new rightful owner of. If caught going against this rule, it will be counted as KoS and is bannable offense.
If a player steals gas from your vehicle then that player is KoSable to the vehicle owner(or group) only! Unlocking a vehicle with a stealy wheely and then starting to DRIVE away also leads to the player being KoSable to the vehicle owner(or group)! Under NO CIRCUMSTANCE are you allowed to kill players stealing from someone else but your own. If proven guilty of breaking this rule, it will be counted as KoS and is a bannable offense. Although if the player simply locks the car and does NOT attempt to drive off then you MUST follow the warning system which is specified in section VII to ensure your vehicle gets unlocked, if the player refuses to unlock your vehicle after the warning system was correctly followed, then you are allowed to kill that person.
You MAY NOT KoS players for damaging your vehicle!
If a player is in your base, you may give them 3 warnings to leave. If they do not comply, you must warn 3 times in world chat before killing them. IMPORTANT: The player must be WITHIN your bases borders. If they are just hanging outside of a base, that is allowed.
If a player is robbing/arresting/kidnapping you, you may kill them during the roleplay event in self-defense. You MAY NOT kill them AFTER
If you died and your body was looted by another player, you MAY NOT demand that the player gives back your items. The only time someone must to drop your looted items is if the player unrightfully KoS'ed you. This can only happen if decided by a Moderator on duty. This also counts if by example you dropped an item and a random person comes and picks it up, you MAY NOT tell them to drop it as it's your fault for dropping the item publicly.
If you are attacked by a KoSer (Damaged or health has been reduced), you have the right to self-defend. After you've done so, let a staff member know that the person attempted to KoS you.
Law enforcement players may KoS player that have a kill warrant on them (More under the Kill Warrants Section on this page).
You may kill someone if they enter your base, after giving warnings, if they steal gas from your vehicle, in roleplay events, being attacked by a KoSer, and if you have a kill warrant. There are grey areas in all those. For instance, what if someone is on top of your base that has a rampart on it? Can you kill them then? Nowhere does it say you can't kill them if they steal gas from someone elses vehicle. Nowhere does it say you can't kill a cop who is arresting someone else, nor a robber robbing someone else. In fact, it condones that. Look what it says here:
Such examples of when your robbery would be over include but are NOT limited to the following:
Being killed by the person you are attempting to rob due to self-defense reasons.
Successfully robbing the person and retrieving your stolen goods.
Being killed by a random person in an attempt to save the person that you are attempting to rob.
If the robbed player has left your sight for 5 minutes then you must call your robbery over.
Random players are allowed to stop a robbery. But wait! You advertise that you can kill no one! Hm. So who isn't following the rules here and are banning people who don't deserve it. Admins? Look at what it says for arrests:
Such examples of when your arrest would be over include but are NOT limited to the following:
Being killed by another bandit attempting to save their fellow bandit friend.
Successfully arresting the player and giving them their assigned punishment.
Failing an on-going police chase. This typically means that if the arrested player has left your sight for 5 minutes, then you MUST call the arrest over.
Now I know here that it says another bandit, indicating you have to be of the bandit role to do so, but really most people classify as Bandits, but they keep changing roles for different perks or just assist bandits without changing roles. However, it says, and I state: "Such example of when your arrest would be over include but are NOT limited to the following:" That right there that says NOT means basically to use your imagination and insight to determine when your robbery or arrest are over.
Therefore, if someone is found breaking rules like this, the question is "Should they be KoSed?" KoS as I said earlier means Kill On Sight. Rule 1 of KOS states that the reason has to be justified by the roleplay rules. When something is mentioned first, it is typically the most important and overriding rule. If you are justified by the roleplay rules, you therefore are allowed to KOS. KoS has to do with killing without meaning, or killing for another players loot or for fun. If there is a reason behind your KOS that is justifiable, it should not be banned, according to the rules you admins tell us to read.
Now lets talk about Raid Zones. Too many stupid people say that the Raid Zone is a 50 meter radius. Look at what it says here in the rules:
Raiders: Once raid timer is up, Raiders are allowed to kill any and all people in immediate area (20-30 meters) of the base being raided, so as long they are still attempting to break into the base.
If you are raiding alone, you must stay within 15m of the raid building destroying parts of the base, in order to show that you are actively raiding. Failure to follow the rule shows that a kill zone is being created and the raider has no intent to raid, just kill.
If you are raiding with a group of two or more players, you may stay within 30 meters of the base - as long as one player is actively raiding the base within 15 meters
Raiders must end the raid if they leave the raid zone area listed above
You must start the raid from outside the base - you cannot start the raid while inside the base.
You MAY NOT place any structures besides metal plates in the base you are raiding.
You may NOT KOS anyone who is outside of 20-30 meters. That is not a far distance. Your KOS there would be against the rules if you do that thing there.
What are you readers to derive from all of this? Based on the rules, you are allowed to KoS as long as it is justified by roleplay rules. Your KoS has to be with purpose along those very rules. While it is ultimately up to whatever admin on to determine if what you did was wrong, that admin needs to realize what the rules say, and what they mean. Some rules need to be read word for word. And while it says that it is a bannable offense to KoS, if the reason isn't stupid, you can cut them some slack sometimes. Mass KoS should be intervened by admins, especially if random players are involved. However, the Police Officers, court system, and other players should have a bit of jurisdiction before an admin intervenes. While, yes, it is a bannable offense, that does not mean it is the only punishment you can and should use to punish those who willfully or unknowingly break the rules. It is the highest degree of punishment. You don't give the death sentence to every criminal. What I am suggesting is that you admins be more open-minded with regard to rules, instead of being so ban happy and ignorant as to what they say and mean.
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