[iiSTiiKY]

So generally I get killed for some reasons that are considered "grey areas". These "grey areas" seem to be breaking rules as they are not mentioned on the rules. This is a case of "If it's not said to be wrong, then it must be right." For example, did you know that you can rob someone for more than their visible weapons and backpack? If you have revealed any items (in my case it was a different weapon) that are not on you before you were robbed and the robbers know you have that item in your inventory, they can warn you to drop it (Confirmed by BannedHammer and Juan Deag.) Here's an example. If I saw someone with a Grizzly but I still haven't robbed them, and he puts it away and pull out a Timberwolf, you can then /rob (Name) and tell them you saw the Grizzly on them and make them drop the Timberwolf and ALSO make them drop the Grizzly, or they die. This exact scenario happened today, and BannedHammer and Juan Deag told me it is okay because they know you have the item in your inventory and saw it before they robbed you. I have absolutely no problem with this except for one reason: It is not listed on the rules. Juan Deag told me that this situation is a "grey area" and cannot be punishable.

Also, I'm about to reveal why Bandit is so overpowered as a role, it's more OP than a hitman. You can KOS. Yup that's right. You can KOS someone by simply following these steps: 1) Scope out the area and make sure nobody is near your victim. 2) Call a robbery on your victim. 3) Just kill them!

The end! "Well iiSTiiKY, how can you just kill someone and get away with it?" Well 99% of the time your victim probably won't be recording gameplay, and because of this reason you can just say that they pulled a weapon to resist robbery. And as you probably guessed by the first story, this also happened to me. Two moderators told me that they can't do anything because there is no evidence supporting that I didn't pull my gun, unless there were other physical witnesses. This just proves that you don't have to donate to get opportunities for your blood thirst, just become a bandit and ditch that hitman role. With being a Hitman you require a hit, with Bandit, just do what you want!

I could go on and on about failed RP "grey areas", but I just decided to not waste a lot of you guys' time and just make this one as short as I could. If there could be any ways to combat these loopholes give your ideas. I recommend recording your gameplay because that is all I think can be able to combat this, in my opinion, broken system.

EDIT 1: If an admin sees this post, can you address the first part of my post about the "item in inventory" thing? Thanks if you do.

[Extrentic]

My Comment:

The Pandahut RP mods aren't that stupid, if someone is constantly using this grey area loophole (The KOS Robbery one) they will obviously be banned for KOS, if caught abusing the loophole.

You can try and use this "loop hole" but moderators actually do watch players with suspicion, and I enjoy watching players who are known to do these types of things, and new players.

You will not get away with this, we're always watching
(This is a message to those under suspicion of doing things such as this, new players, and players constantly robbing)
(I suggest sending any gray area rules that you believe the RP staff teams don't know of to the RP staff teams)

[iiSTiiKY]

I understand that mods aren't dumb, but obviously if you don't want to get caught there are several ways of avoiding being caught that I won't bother listing, as it will encourage failed RP. I personally don't even do this method because it ruins the value and fun of RP. I have to disagree with you though because many people get away with it, and trust me, they won't do it all the time. They'll just do it once every few days to get easy items incase they were arrested, raided, killed, etc. The problem is that it exists.

Here's the thing, this "KOS Robbery" is clearly looked down upon and results in a ban if you are caught. My problem is that these "grey areas" aren't addressed in the rules, such as the "item in inventory" scenario I also talked about (Which needs to be quickly added to the rules due to the fact it is a part of the game, as I was told to by admins). I feel that bandit role needs to get a rework, but that's just one person's opinion.

P.S.: Why isn't police baiting against rules too? It's a free way to resist arrest for KOS.

[Tublo]

I literally like thirty minutes ago banned someone for this loop hole.
They kept calling robberies, then five seconds later, killing the victim.
I let it slide for the first 3 times, before banning him for two days on the fourth.
This is not something I immediately punished the guy for as he could have been telling the truth, the victim may have pulled a gun.
After enough people confirmed that was not the case, I banned him, same as I would a normal KOSer.

The "item in inventory" thing is realistic, that is why it is not against the rules.
If I were to mug someone that I had seen earlier put a laptop in their rucksack, in real life, I would demand the laptop as well.

Police baiting is against the rules.
If you were to say "Hey Cops, I have berries." in world chat you would be kicked.
If you then say it again, you would be banned.

[iiSTiiKY]

Here's the problem. The "item in inventory" isn't listed in rules, and same with police baiting. If these were written in the rules, I'd have absolutely no problem. There are so many examples of these "grey areas" that need to be listed on the rules. The rules state: You can only rob a person for their backpack and visible weapons. If this isn't the case, then the rules have to be updated.

This "grey area" problem really needs to be fixed. I remember Tublo banned me a long time ago for robbing someone from a far distance; the scenario went down like this: I see someone, I have a sniper. I rob them from a distance, call robbery and tell them to drop their items. If they don't comply then they will be sniped. Simple stuff, right? The problem was that this wasn't listed as a rule. To the mods this is an understandable reason to ban, but to us players we have no idea if it's against the rules. I'm not to sure but I still don't think the rules are updated for robbing from a distance, I'll have to check.

[RagnarosPower]

Here's the problem. The "item in inventory" isn't listed in rules, and same with police baiting. If these were written in the rules, I'd have absolutely no problem. There are so many examples of these "grey areas" that need to be listed on the rules. The rules state: You can only rob a person for their backpack and visible weapons. If this isn't the case, then the rules have to be updated.

This "grey area" problem really needs to be fixed. I remember Tublo banned me a long time ago for robbing someone from a far distance; the scenario went down like this: I see someone, I have a sniper. I rob them from a distance, call robbery and tell them to drop their items. If they don't comply then they will be sniped. Simple stuff, right? The problem was that this wasn't listed as a rule. To the mods this is an understandable reason to ban, but to us players we have no idea if it's against the rules. I'm not to sure but I still don't think the rules are updated for robbing from a distance, I'll have to check.

Code: Select allPolice baiting is NOT allowed. As an example: Running around with your berries in your hand at police officers and shouting ''Arrest me!!'' in order for you to instantly KOS them when they call the arrest. This will be considered as fail RP and player will be punished. Bandits may only demand the backpack and weapons of their victim. Note: If you see the player that you're robbing pull out a weapon and then hide it in their inventory you CAN ask them to drop it. When robbing you MUST be face-to-face with the one you're robbing! You cannot be sniping from the hills and tell him to drop his stuff as the one being robbed is unaware of the robbery!

3 of the mentioned grey areas have been fixed. As for the ''he pulled out a weapon'' incident I will further look into this and see how we can fix this. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated. Please do state any other problems that you think there are on the RP servers, I greatly appreciate your support.

[Queenie]

2 of the mentioned grey areas have been fixed. As for the ''he pulled out a weapon'' incident I will further look into this and see how we can fix this. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated. Please do state any other problems that you think there are on the RP servers, I greatly appreciate your support.

I also suggest RP moderators to save notes when they encounter a "grey area" situation. I recall that some of the moderators on RP2 have had similar encounters. Taking down notes and notifying Ragnaros or BannedHammer will effectively help sort out the situation to add on or fix the RP rules. It makes the job easier this way.

[RagnarosPower]

One thing you guys need to have in mind though is that there's some grey areas because we want to let you guys RP freely without being told what to do constantly, everytime we add a new rule we limit RP constantly, we don't want to reach a certain point where people feel like robots and have to do as they're told as that is not RP in any way. We always try to make it so you guys can RP freely and not be interrupted by those that just come on to cause chaos, hence why we always punish those that constantly look for loopholes, we don't want players that just want to have the best gear and such, we want you all to have a good RP experience and feel free to do everything, although there's always those people that have to ruin it for others. So please understand that we cannot cover every single thing because that'd mean we'd change this into a step-by-step RP server instead of a real life experience RP server where you can feel free to do what you wish to a certain extent.